Most churches are struggling because the church is waiting for the pastor to do what he doesn't know how to do. Because the truth of the matter is this, if we knew how to do the things that would lead our churches towards healthy growth, we will be doing them already. In this episode of the Church Systems podcast, I'm going to be talking to you about why your church isn't growing and how you can take the steps to fix it. If you never met me before, my name is Henry Tolbert.
I'm the owner and founder of Simple Systems Consulting. And today I want to give you some real tools to help you make some real progress. All right, so let's start here. I want to start with kind of the obvious, because you know, as some who has been a pastor for many years, as somebody who has worked with pastors for many years, I understand a couple of things about what it's like to be a pastor.
Here's one of the things I know. I know that there can be situations where no matter how much you pray, how much you preach, how much you plan, the church just doesn't grow. Do you know what that feels like? Have you been there? Have you been in that space where it feels like you're doing all the right things, but you're just not seeing the progress you expected? Well, guess what, man, I understand. I get it because I know if you're in that spot, there is a couple of frustrations that you're facing. And these frustrations that you're facing are probably frustrations that a lot of your peers, a lot of your friends, the other people in the denomination, a lot of people are wrestling with these same things. So what are they? Well, frustration #1 is you might be stuck at the same attendance level for years. It is not uncommon that I meet pastors who say, man, look, we've been stuck at this number for a long time.
We've been stuck at 25. We've been stuck at 5070, sixty, whatever it may be. And here's the truth. One of the things that's so deceptive about being stuck at an attendance plateau is that you do see new people come in because I've said this over and over again, but on average, a church loses 10% of its congregation every year for multiple reasons.
They're not all bad. Some people leave because they're disgruntled, but some people get married and they leave. Some people get divorced and they leave. Some people take a new job and they leave. Some people pass away and they leave, right? It's a whole bunch of different reasons. And one of the things that's so deceptive about, you know, having this kind of plateau is that if you've got 60 people and you lose 6 people this year, well, you see 6 new people. You can point to six new people who are in the room, but you're still not feeling growth, and it leads to a frustration. So, you know, I get it. Another frustration that you get is that visitors come, but they don't stay. You know, it's almost as if there's a smell in the church that that only new people can smell because we reach them and we connect with them and all of that stuff. They maybe even come and visit a couple of times, but they just don't stay. And that's a frustration. That's a challenge because you're sitting there, you're thinking, well, why won't they stay? I know they're coming in. Why won't they stay with us? We'll talk some more about that here in a second.
Here's another challenge, another frustration that you are probably facing that your volunteers are inconsistent. You know, when you have a smaller church, or what I like to call an intimate church, you put a lot on the shoulders of a few. And So what ends up happening is a couple of things. Number one, it's really easy for for volunteers to burn out and get tired, right? They do so much, they're exhausted, they need a break, they get frustrated. But then the other thing that you run into is that in a smaller group, the gifts may not be as diversified or specialized, meaning that you can have volunteers, but even if their presence is consistent, maybe their delivery is inconsistent because they need the training and the tools to take the next step. You know, another very common frustration for pastors who aren't seeing the church move forward is financial constraints. Man, like man, I tell you, there is no tightness like financial tightness.
When the money gets tight, it gets rough, it gets hard, it gets challenging. You're trying to figure out what to do.
You've cut everything you could cut. The last thing that you probably could cut is yourself and your own salary. And that's not a healthy thing to do. So you, you really start to feel the pressure and you know that there are things that need to be done. There are things that you want to do, but it's got to be paid for from somewhere. And it gets tight, right? And here's the last one. It's the last, last frustration it leads to is that you as a pastor start to feel overworked. And close to burnout, you know, I am still convinced that many pastors are suffering from kind of a functional burnout where we're burned out, You're burned out, but you know how to just keep on going. You can preach on autopilot, right? You can do certain things on autopilot.
You could be there for other people on autopilot. But really internally, man, you're checking out internally, you're struggling internally, you're having some issues. And so I understand what that challenge is like, but I, I, I want to come today not just to expose the problem, but to help you find some solutions. Because here's reality.
Church growth is not just about preaching better sermons. It's not just about praying harder. It's about having a strategy that works, right? I want, I know that because some of you and maybe as you're listening, you're a a great preacher. You preach the gospel, right? You, you pray and you lay your heart before the Lord, right? You're serious about that. But things still aren't moving forward. Well, sometimes it's because you need a strategy. And so here's what I'm going to give you today.
A couple things we're going to cover. A couple things we're going to that I'm going to make sure you leave here with in this episode. Number 1 is that I'm going to talk to you about the major mistakes that keep the church stuck. You know, there are some things that you might be doing that's holding the church back.
Here's my philosophy. None of us can make a church grow, right? If somebody tells you they can force your church to grow, run, right? None of us can make a church grow, but all of us can keep a church from growing, right? There are things that we can do to make it easier for growth to happen. But here's one of the things that can happen very easily.
We can all get in the way of growth. We can get in the way of what God is trying to do. And so I want to, I want to talk about that. We'll also talk about how to fix these problems without burning yourself out, right? Because so often we come up with these solutions that are about you working harder and longer and doing more, and you're already stretched thin and your family's already stretched thin and your volunteers already stretched thin. So we're going to talk about some doing these things in some ways that it doesn't cost you extra time and energy that cost you your health. But also we're going to give you a proven framework, right? We're going to talk about a framework that we've been using for the last six years that's really been helping churches really take some next steps. All right, So I would encourage you stick around to the end because at the end of this episode, I'm going to give you some clear next steps to help you move this thing forward. All right, so let's jump into it.
There are three mistakes that I want to uncover today. We're going to dive into these. For every mistake, I'm going to talk about what the mistake is, why it happens, but then I'm also going to talk about how we solve it. All right, so check this out. Number one is you have no system for attracting and retaining visitors. You have no system for attracting and retaining visitors.
Here's the truth. Most churches are praying for growth, but they are not prepared for it. I'm a say it again, most churches are praying for growth, but they're not prepared for it. And that's why visitors come once and they don't come back.
It's because we're praying for a growth that we're not prepared for. We've got to get ready for it, right? Imagine for a second that there's a restaurant, right? And this restaurant has really, really great food, right? They have really, really great food. They might even have great service, great service, great service. You know, they're, they're people come around and they, they take care of you really good. But imagine they had no Hostess.
So you've got great food, you got a great facility, you've got great customer service from the standpoint of serving food and things of that nature, but you have no Hostess. So what ends up happening is people get stuck in the lobby, people get stuck in the entryway and, and, and many of them just decide to leave every once in A1, every once in a while one of them gets bold enough to say, look, I'm just going to go and sit down. They go pick their own seat, they sit down, they get their own menu, but that's rare. And that's what's happening in a ton of churches is that a ton of churches have great food. The word is there, right? They, they, they have great fellowship. They love people, they care about people. But there's a a part of the process that is missing. And because of the part of the process is missing, people can't take the next step. And just like in a restaurant, if you went to a restaurant and the server didn't acknowledge you and the Hostess didn't come and acknowledge you, you probably wouldn't go back. And So what you've got to do is you got to start to prepare for what you're praying for.
All right, So, so you've got to understand a couple things. Why does this happen? Why do we get here? I want you to get this because it's going to be a thing today, every problem.
Has a root. I want you to get that. Every problem has a root. There is a bottom root cause to every problem you have. So when you see something like this, it's really easy to say, you know, people just need to be more consistent or more people just need to come and we need to invite more people. Yeah, that could be true, But there's a root reason why people come and don't come back. And they may not be telling you what it is. They may not honestly communicate it, but there's a root reason. So let's talk about some possible reasons that this could be happening to you and your church. All right, three reasons. Number one, you don't have a clear strategy for outreach, right? You, you don't have a clear strategy to keep new people coming through the door. You know, when a new person shows up on their own, that's a miracle. More often than not, people show up because they were invited. And so you need a strategy for how you do that. How do you consistently invite and how do you consistently do outreach instead of just hoping people show up? You know, another thing is that when visitors come, they feel disconnected and they don't know what to do next.
You know, think about it for a second. If I come to visit your church this Sunday, have a great time, what's next? You know, in your head what you're saying is, oh, come back, right? And, and here's what I often wonder why is the church one of the only organizations that think that thinks that way, right? That we expect, man, you have a good time, just come back. Like that's it.
Just come back. You don't need to be invited. We don't need to follow up. Just come back. Why do? Why are we the only organization that thinks that way? When I go shop online and I buy something, within a day, I've got a coupon for 20% off to come back and buy something else, right? If I I've been to class, I've taken courses. If I take a course, as soon as I finish one course, I've got an invitation to come and take another one, right? You need a process that makes people feel connected and makes it clear what they're supposed to do next. And here's the other the other reason that that this happens where you don't have systems for attracting and retaining visitors is that you don't have a follow up system to keep people engaged. What do you do with people after they visit the first time? What happens next? You need a plan for that, right? You need to be thinking about, this is step one. But here's 23456, right? You need to be thinking about where we go next, right? So, so how do we fix it? Just like every problem has a root, every problem also has a remedy.
I want you to get that. That's good, isn't it? Every problem has a root and every problem has a remedy. And so no matter where you are, I want you to know that you're not so far gone, you're not so far back that we can't solve it. So every problem has a remedy. So let me give you a couple of things that you could think about if you really want to start to overcome this barrier that might be keeping your church from growing 333 things. Number one, you need a clear invitation process, right? How easy do you make it for your members to invite new people? I, I know you, you announced it and you said, hey, we got this going on. Y'all, you know, invite your friends, but are you creating resources for them to invite their friends? Are you creating resources that they can easily share to help people take the next step? That's the next level.
That's where you want to be. You want to be in a spot where you're inviting people to take the next step and to move from where they are to where they're called to go. Here's another thing, man, is that you've got to create a structured experience. You know, when a guest comes, it shouldn't be a random, you know, let's just see what happens kind of experience. You need to create a structured experience, like what happens next, right? How are you doing this? Do you have greeters in place? Do you have signages in place? You want people to feel good about their experience, but you've got to prepare for it. You know, I see this joke all the time where they talk about how, you know, sometimes if if a family maybe has somebody who comes by and helps clean up or something like that or anything, then you know, many times, often the wife will go and clean before the cleaners come, right. And this is a joke that people often tell. Well, here's the reality is, if you're expecting guests, you want to put your best foot forward.
If you really expecting guests, you prepare for them. I often use the analogy of my four daughters. Before each of them came home, I built their cribs because I was expecting them. If you're expecting guests, prepare for them. If you're expecting that God is going to send you the gift of his children, then prepare for them. And then the the final thing that you need to do, if you really want to retain people, you've got to follow up with people and you've got to follow up fast. Within 24 hours, some kind of communication needs to be happening with people who come and visit and engage with the church. If people come, they give you their contact information, all of those different things.
You need to have a plan for follow up. Listen, if your church doesn't have a visitor retention plan, you're losing the people that God is sending to you. He's sending you gifts, and you're just wasting them. And so you need to put together a plan. If you want to overcome this mistake, you got to put together a plan. All right, let's keep going #2 all right, the pastor is doing everything. Listen, pastor, if this is you, if you're the pastor who's having to do everything, let me tell you something.
You're the bottleneck to the growth that you're hoping to see. You're the bottleneck, and I know what you're thinking and you're like, man, look, if somebody else would do it, I wouldn't have to do it. Well, here's the thing I'm going to say to you, just like Paul said to Titus, for this have I sent you, Right. So Titus, when you get over there, you run into all these problems and all these issues. For this, have I sent you? I didn't send you there because it was already together. I didn't send you there because it was already perfect. I didn't send you there because everything was all good. I sent you there because there were problems, and you, my friend, are the answer to that problem. But you need to know what that looks like.
Here's what that looks like. Ephesians 4 says these gifts, all the gifts he gave, are for the equipping of the Saints, for the work of ministry.
This is one of the biggest changes that I see in the modern church. In the past, it felt like church leadership pastors, their primary, their primary responsibility was preaching the gospel.
That's that was what drove and move the needle. the IT just just preached the gospel more than ever. Now in the era where we live, preaching the gospel always be primary. You know, it will always be very, very important. But one of the things that's taken has come up to either in a a a close second or maybe even overtaking it. And I think it's relational leadership, relational leadership. It is a leader's ability to actually raise up, build teams, raise up people, equip people for the work of ministry.
I'm telling you that is a game changer. The way that people respond to the church and our culture. Response to church is different and the task and the responsibility of leaders is different. And so you doing everything is hurting things. Instead, it needs to be you learning to empower other people to come and help you do things.
Here's the truth. If everything in the church depends on you, you can't grow beyond your leadership capacity, your personal capacity. The church can't grow beyond your capacity. That's, I mean, that's John Maxwell, the law of the lid. You know, it's, it's simple. If, if everything is in your hands, you become the bottleneck that slows down things and keeps the ministry from going where it could go. So why does this happen? Well, you remember what I told you.
Every problem has a root and every problem has a remedy. Let's talk about the root. What's the root of you being the leadership bottleneck in the church? A couple of a couple of things. Because you're doing everything. You're preaching, you're leading, you're counseling, you try to do the admin, you're running events.
You got all this stuff going on. And the truth of the matter is if you're doing all of those things, you're probably not putting 100% into any of those things. And so you've got a bunch of things being done a little bit instead of a few things being done really well. Another reason this happens is because volunteers are reliable, unreliable because they're not being trained or developed, is that you've got to train and develop them. So much of your vision is stuck in your head. It's stuck in your head.
You know it. You know where you want to go, you know what you want to do, but it's stuck in your head. You got to get it out of your head and you got to get it on paper and into the hearts of the people. Here's another thing though that makes this so hard, and I see this so often, There's no clear leadership pipeline. There's no path that shows people how they grow to maturity and become leaders in the church that you lead.
And that is so important. This is what happened to Moses. Exodus 18. He's out there sunup to sundown.
He's doing everything. And here comes Jethro. And he's like, hey, man, you got to develop some new leaders. And so I'm going to tell you, like Jethro said to Moses, I don't know if he uses exact words, but look, hey, man, hey, lady, you got to develop some leaders.
You got to raise up some new people around you. And if you don't have them around you, you got to go get them for this. Have I sent you now if you, if you want to be coddled and you want me to say, well, it's not your fault. You just managed the city you in man 'cause you know, we all think our city is different.
It's the city you in and your city is just man. These people in this city, man, you don't know I'm in the country, man or, or I'm in the city is so many big church.
Everybody has something. Here's the bottom line, Titus, for this have I sent you? You were sent into the desert with the only bucket of water for miles, and it's your task to take that bucket of water and use it to transform some people's lives, to build some new relationships so that you can bring people forward. So let me help you, all right? So if you want to overcome the first issue, you know it's a part of what we call our gather system where we talk about how we gather people, how we bring them in reach and keep people.
Let's talk about the remedy to this issue of the leadership bottleneck. There's three things that I want to give you, all right? Number one, you need to develop a leadership pipeline. How are you going to identify, train and delegate responsibilities? Let's put this in another place. Like, if I was a football coach, I wouldn't know that I've got to do a couple of things, all right? If I was a football coach, I was coaching a college program.
There's a couple of things I would have to do. I got to recruit, right. I know I got to recruit, right. As a church leader, you got to recruit, you got to know that you've got to constantly be looking for leaders.
You got to have ministry eyes where you're constantly looking for opportunities to connect with new leaders. All right #2 you've got to develop the people you have. You know, if I go take over a program today, I can't cut everybody today. Well, maybe today you could because of the transfer portal, but you can't cut everybody. What you've got to do is you've got to take a couple of players and say, OK, maybe their skills are not perfectly suited for where we are and for what we're trying to do. But how can I coach them up to be the best they could be? How can I make sure I put them in the right position, right? That's training, right? But then also you got to delegate.
You got to take some stuff out of your hands and give somebody else enough clarity to put it in their hands. All right? So you got to develop a leadership pipeline. Second thing that you could do is empower your volunteers, right? Stop doing stuff that other people can do. I never forget as a church planner, one of my my uncle came by. He said, listen, you got to learn how to trust the people.
I said trust him with what he said any and everything. I said, well, right now I'm doing a lot of everything. He said, listen. He said even if you give somebody a $10.00 bill and let them go to the store and pick up toilet paper for the bathrooms and paper towels, he said even that little thing, start letting other people do stuff.
Starting letting other people get things done. And man, I tell you, that thing was so true. You've got to learn how to empower leaders. And if you can't trust them with big stuff, that's OK. But at least take the small stuff off your off your plate. What are the small things that you're doing that somebody else could be doing? You need to let them do it.
You do nobody any favors if you burn out and you fall short of the mission and vision that God has given you. You can't fall short. You got to step up to the plate and you got to start the empower. Then the third thing you want to do is you got to give your team to get the clarity.
You got to give them clarity. You know, you need to make sure that your team understands exactly what you need from them. You'll be surprised.
Sometimes you don't get great results from people because you weren't clear in your communication. And so if you start to build this kind of structure, what you're doing is that you're making grow sustainable. So it's not just a moment where we had a big event, bunch of people came and left. I know this is the boring stuff and I know everybody wants to quick fixes, but if you build the systems, it will work.
God took six days and he built creation based on a very clear system that he was building, but he built it so well in the beginning that he it has lasted all of this time. And what I'm telling you is that one of the reasons that the things we build don't last is because we don't slow down and do the stuff that's not sexy and not popular.
We don't slow down long enough to build a healthy systems at the foundation so that things could continue to grow and push forward. So you've got to stop and put these things in place, right? I know this is a little bit of tough love, but I'm telling you, you got to slow down. And it didn't matter what stage of ministry you're in. If you're somebody who's been in ministry for 1520, thirty years, this is frustrating, I know. This is the last thing you want to hear that I got to rebuild and I got to redo. But what I'm telling you is if you want to end well, if you want to end strong. If you want to pass your work to a a leader and not pass him a burden, but pass him a blessing.
If you want your successor to be able to come in and be excited about building on the foundation that you laid instead of having to come up and uproot everything because stuff was built for the short term and not for the long term, you've got to start building the foundational processes and systems.
You've got to put them in place. All right, here's the third mistake and we're going to talk about this is that there is no clear discipleship and engagement path. I can't tell you how many times I talk about this one.
I just, I think the way we lead our churches makes it clear that we are not prepared for conversion growth. Because if we were prepared for conversion growth, what we would be doing is we would have processes in place for people who convert to Christianity, who go from unchurched to church. The lack of processes tells us you're not prepared. So when I go to a house, I can tell when kids live in a house, right? When children live in a house, there will be toys and there will be bank blankets and there will be teddy bears and there will be, you know, fruit snacks and there will be juice drinks and there will be all these things like I go into a house, you know, when somebody has kids, you probably won't see a lot of glass just sitting around, fine China just hanging around. I, I won't see it because they have kids and the house is built for the children that they plan to have.
We plan to have children when we plan to have children. We built our house, we purchased our furniture with children in mind, right. So I never forget our first living room set we use. We had this like Wicker set that we had gotten when our kids were really, really young. And then as soon as one of my daughters got old enough, what did she start doing? She started breaking off the Wicker set. So we got another living room set and this living room set, it wasn't glitz, it wasn't glamour. It was nice, but we were more concerned about it being staying resistant and being durable, right? Because we're like, man, kids, they're always wasting stuff.
They're doing this the end of the That's how we put it together. When you look at how your church is set up, who is it for? Is it set up for people to become real followers of Jesus? Or is it set up for people who already know Jesus? And the truth of the matter is, most churches don't have a clear way to take people from first time visitor to fully engaged member.
They just don't have it. They just don't have it. And as and since we don't have it, we wonder why isn't God sending us unchurched people? Because we're not prepared for them.
We're not prepared for them. So why does this happen? All right, couple reasons this happened. Again, every problem has a root and a remedy. So what's the root of this problem? Number one is there's no clear next steps after Sunday.
We don't have a plan for what we want people to do after they come on Sunday. If you're saying just come back to church next week, that's not a good plan. You need something more than that, OK? You need to dive into it.
The second thing is there's no relational connection beyond the worship experience with the people you have and with the people you want to reach. They're not communicating and you're not talking to them beyond a Sunday. And So what you're communicating to them is, hey, look what this church is a Sunday church.
Just come to church on Sunday. That's all we got. The third reason that this happens too, though, is that people just don't know how to serve and grow at your church. They don't know what to do next. There's no clarity around it. So they just kind of winging it, right? I want you to think about this for a second.
Imagine for a second you owned a gym and the OR there was a gym and that gym was like going crazy trying to get people to sign up for the gym. Hey, look, come sign up our new gym. Like we got all the equipment, we got trainers, we got all this stuff like this, right? And people sign up for the gym, but they don't know how to use the equipment.
You don't give them a workout plan. And then once they sign up, they discover you have no trainers. What do you think those people are going to do? It's just a matter of time before they quit. Some of them are going to ask for their money back because they're going to feel like they were bamboos or they were tricked.
And this is what happens in churches every week is that we go gung ho to get people to sign up. Come sign up, man.
Come be a Christian. And when they come in, there's no equipment, there's no workout plan, and there are no trainers to help us to help them do what they need to do.
You need to make sure that you understand you need a clear path. All right, so that's the route. What's the remedy? All right, well, I'm glad you asked.
There are three remedies I'll give you for this. All right, and we're getting ready to come to the close of this episode. 3 things. Number one, you need to define your path.
How does a person go from first time guests to leadership? You need a path because if you don't have a path, you're going to be guilty of some pretty bad things. If you don't have a path for leadership, you can only promote the people you know and like, and that's not good.
You need a path. What's going to be your path? All right, you need a plan. So you give people clear steps #2 you need to have a membership and a small group or Sunday school onboarding process. Make it easy for people to make relationships, make it easy for them to connect, make it easy for them to take the next steps. And then #3 you got to preach with intentionality. You know, you've got to preach like you believe there are unchurched people coming, right? So, so here, that looks a couple of ways. So here's a couple things that I would suggest.
1 You need to teach your current members how to handle unchurched people. You got to teach them like, look, don't be all judgy and weird, like you got to handle these people well, but then you need to preach as though people in the audience don't understand. Here's one of my favorite things is that anytime I preach the Word, I want to speak to three groups of people. I want to speak speak to beginners, intermediates, and advanced, right? So I want to speak to the advanced people in the message. I want to remind people who are studying their word, who have been walking with the Lord. I want to remind them of their responsibility, remind them of what the word says. And I want to draw their attention back to something that they've likely seen before, the intermediates. I want to make sure I introduce to them some new information, but also I want to start challenging them to take some next steps and to go forward. But with my beginners, I want to talk to them like they have never been in a church before.
And they're trying their best to understand the basics of our faith and what we believe. So I catch myself saying stuff like, come on, you y'all know the story of David and Goliath? No, some of them don't know the story of David and Goliath. Some of them don't know, right? And so I can't assume that because I'm in church with all these people I see and I know that everybody understands the story. No, So I had to say, hey, look, in the story of David and Goliath, here's what what happens.
I've got to walk through that with them. I've got to give that to them, but then I've got to pull something out of that that's going to work for everybody else. So my point is this is that you've got to preach with intentionality. You've got to move from a place where you preach whatever you feel you know or whatever happens in the moment and understand that a part of your authority as a leader is you got to preach to us where people want to go.
Right. If, if sickness is breaking out in your church, like I mean, sickness, like disease, like cancer and stuff like that.
I have a real life example. Cancer was was running ransacked in a shirt in A at a church that I was pastoring and I wanted to teach on evangelism, right? But I saw this thing happening in our church and said, look, I got to equip our people to be able to handle this so that we can put a stop to whatever this is and stand up against it and, and just understand that God is on our side, encourage one another, whatever it is, right? And So what I'm saying to you is if you see what's happening in your church and you see where you want the church to grow. That's going to help determine your preaching and your teaching.
But you've got to be intentional, right? Here's the thing, man. If you don't have a next step for visitors, they will not take one.
If you don't have a next step, they won't take a next step. Plain and simple. If you don't have a next step, they won't take a next step. So you need to make sure that you line up a next step for people to take. All right, so let's recap this couple of things.
We talked about it. So 3 huge mistakes that so many leaders are making. And this is leading to stagnant churches and churches that are not growing and reaching new people. Number one, we don't have a system for retention. We don't have a plan to keep new people coming back #2 we don't have a leadership pipeline. Pastor, you doing everything and you killing yourself and the people too, like Jethro Tolmos, you don't wear yourself out and the people too. And then #3 there's no leadership or no clear discipleship path. Like there is no people don't know how to become a disciple.
You don't have a plan to make disciples. You have settled for making church attendees instead of making disciples. And let me tell you something. You need disciples if you want to have a movement.
If you want to have a movement where you see God do something special, you can't just have church attendees. You need disciples.
Disciples respond differently. Disciples support differently. Disciples give differently, disciples serve differently. So you got to put it out there, all right? So listen, if you want to take a next step, you need some support, then I've got something for you. All right? If your church has been battling with all these things that we're talking about, well, guess what? I want to help you. All right, so I'm offering a free breakthrough strategy call.
It's a breakthrough session. And on this call, we'll talk for about 30 to 45 minutes. I'll ask some questions. You can share with me all the things that are going on in your church.
I can be a sounding board for you to help you navigate through it. And on that call, I'm also going to give you some insight. I'm going to say, hey, if I were in your shoes, here are some of the things that I would do. If I were in your shoes, here are some of the things that I would address.
I would really help you do it. But then I'm also going to share with you how you could potentially be a part of our church systems Boot camp. Our church systems Boot Camp is a 12 month coaching program that comes with everything you need to move from where you are to where you where you need to go. If you have been looking for some support, if you've been looking for to help, if you've been looking for some insight, guess what, You have just found it with the Church Systems Boot Camp.
We do live group coaching calls with our pastors from across the country every Sunday night. We give you access to our Systems Training Library and all of our templates and you can have an opportunity to spend some time with me or a member of our team who can come in and help you with some of the specific things that you're trying to do. All right, here's the bottom line. You don't have to stay stuck where you are.
I believe that God wants to see the church grow. I believe that Jesus is coming back for his bride and it's our job. Paul said in in Colossians chapter 1, he said, This is why I work so hard.
I want to present everybody perfect in their relationship with Christ without spot or wrinkle. We believe that there's opportunity for us to do what God's called to do, but we've got to step into that role. Paul said to Titus for this, have I sent you and I believe God sent you where where you are. But it's your job to get the support you need in order to do what he's caused you to do. So listen, I would be honored if you would love to connect with us, just click the link below in the description and you can plug in, you can book your breakthrough session. We can talk, we can get together and we can take some next steps. All right, listen, I hope this is good for you. Until next time, you know what to do, keep the gears turning. Peace.
